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76-78 Honor Oak Park (ex Old Bank)
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Anotherjohn


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08-10-2011 06:43 PM

Has anyone spoken to English Heritage about this building, with a view to having it locally listed or whatever? It seems as though there's a weight of very strong local opinion about this property's architectural merit as an important landmark at the town centre's gateway - primarily for vistors and local residents walking from the station but also for the all-important first-impression of the town seen by motorists driving down Honor Oak Park from the west.

Unfortunately the local planning department doesn't have any power to prevent anyone from fitting any type of shopfront and fascia if it isn't on a listed property or in a conservation area and, due to the designation of this shopping parade, their hands are pretty well tied in terms what they can refuse.

In my opinion, apart from listing the building, which would protect the architectural integrity and prevent any unsuitable changes like Dominoes's normal livery, I'd press the planners VERY HARD INDEED on the issue of the undoubted nuisance that will be caused by the noise from several delivery scooters out the front TOGETHER WITH the fact that these bikes WILL park on the pavement, on yellow lines, across the emergency access and to the rear of the property in Grierson Road, WHICH WILL ALSO CREATE AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF DISTURBANCE SUE TO ADDED TRAFFIC AND NOISE IN AN AREA TO THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY ENJOYS RELATIVE PEACE & QUIET DUE TO THERE BEING NO THROUGH TRAFFIC.

Here's the relevant policy from Lewisham's UDP:-

STC 9 Restaurants, A3 Uses and Take Away Hot Food Shops
Restaurants, A3 uses and take away hot food shops will be granted permission where they satisfy the following principles:
(a) their location, design, parking and traffic generation is acceptable and does not conflict with other policies in the Plan;
(b) they do not harm the living conditions of nearby residents, including that created by noise and disturbance from users and their vehicles, smell, litter and unneighbourly opening hours; and
© parking and traffic generation is not a danger to other road users, public transport operators or pedestrians.

In addition applicants will be expected to provide acceptable arrangements for:
(d) the efficient and hygienic discharge of fumes and smells, including the siting of ducts - which should be unobtrusive;
(e) the collection, storage and disposal of bulk refuse and customer litter;
sound proofing, especially to living accommodation above; and
(f) the impact on neighbours of the proposed opening hours which will normally be restricted to 8.00 am to 12 midnight in the Major and District Centres and 8.00 am to 11.00 pm in Local Centres and Parades.

Reasons
Eating out, especially from a fast food establishment, is now considered a normal part of a shopping trip for many people. Town centres are considered the best location for this type of use although the Policy for a Core Area of retail uses needs to be safeguarded. Food and drink establishments are also important for the employment they provide, and for their contribution to the vitality of a centre. Most parts of the Borough are well provided with restaurants, cafés, takeaways, wine bars and public houses. These uses can cause unwelcome noise, traffic, smells and refuse and the Policy is designed to minimise these nuisances. The Council is concerned also to reduce traffic congestion or danger to the public from vehicles. It is considered necessary to impose conditions on opening hours in some cases in order to protect the amenity of residents who live nearby.

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RE: The Old Bank to become a Domino's Pizza - Anotherjohn - 08-10-2011 06:43 PM
What next for the Old Bank? - EleanorA - 02-03-2012, 02:26 PM
RE: The Old Bank - danieljon - 22-07-2012, 10:43 AM
RE: The Old Bank - mrcee - 22-07-2012, 01:47 PM
RE: The Old Bank - hopper - 23-07-2012, 10:53 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Tinkerbell - 23-07-2012, 12:00 PM
RE: The Old Bank - hopper - 23-07-2012, 10:25 PM
RE: The Old Bank - dunc_30 - 24-07-2012, 08:44 AM
RE: The Old Bank - michael - 24-07-2012, 09:23 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Tersie - 24-07-2012, 09:24 AM
RE: The Old Bank - LeeH - 24-07-2012, 11:28 AM
RE: The Old Bank - edpaff - 24-07-2012, 02:51 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tinkerbell - 24-07-2012, 03:42 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tinkerbell - 24-07-2012, 03:55 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Cheeky - 24-07-2012, 04:26 PM
RE: The Old Bank - LeeH - 24-07-2012, 04:54 PM
RE: The Old Bank - michael - 24-07-2012, 05:01 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Southlonder - 25-07-2012, 07:47 PM
RE: The Old Bank - hoona - 20-08-2012, 02:39 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tersie - 20-08-2012, 02:46 PM
RE: The Old Bank - oryx - 20-08-2012, 03:26 PM
RE: The Old Bank - poolsneighbour - 20-08-2012, 03:29 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tersie - 20-08-2012, 03:29 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Jane - 21-08-2012, 01:08 PM
RE: The Old Bank - BarCar - 21-08-2012, 01:46 PM
RE: The Old Bank - ringingcod - 22-08-2012, 01:20 PM
RE: The Old Bank - oryx - 22-08-2012, 09:50 PM
RE: The Old Bank - stefan - 23-08-2012, 09:10 AM
RE: The Old Bank - oryx - 23-08-2012, 11:39 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Cheeky - 24-08-2012, 10:12 AM
RE: The Old Bank - daveherne - 24-08-2012, 11:31 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Southlonder - 24-08-2012, 01:13 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tinkerbell - 26-08-2012, 07:34 PM
RE: The Old Bank - sandybaby - 27-08-2012, 04:07 PM
RE: The Old Bank - oryx - 15-09-2012, 06:02 PM
RE: The Old Bank - benoit89 - 16-09-2012, 09:02 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Southlonder - 16-09-2012, 10:30 PM
RE: The Old Bank - lacb - 17-09-2012, 10:13 AM
RE: The Old Bank - benoit89 - 17-09-2012, 10:24 AM
RE: The Old Bank - yomster - 18-09-2012, 08:54 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Cheeky - 18-09-2012, 01:26 PM
RE: The Old Bank - daveherne - 18-09-2012, 09:00 PM
RE: The Old Bank - hoona - 19-09-2012, 10:42 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Belle - 19-09-2012, 11:06 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Bcm - 19-09-2012, 11:11 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Tersie - 19-09-2012, 11:18 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Cheeky - 19-09-2012, 12:59 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Cheeky - 19-09-2012, 01:02 PM
RE: The Old Bank - hoona - 19-09-2012, 01:02 PM
RE: The Old Bank - BarCar - 19-09-2012, 02:14 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Belle - 19-09-2012, 02:44 PM
RE: The Old Bank - BarCar - 19-09-2012, 02:53 PM
RE: The Old Bank - kittenheels - 19-09-2012, 04:54 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Southlonder - 19-09-2012, 07:41 PM
RE: The Old Bank - milliemop - 19-09-2012, 09:08 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tersie - 20-09-2012, 08:27 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Medley - 20-09-2012, 09:46 AM
RE: The Old Bank - Perryman - 20-09-2012, 12:17 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Cheeky - 20-09-2012, 01:43 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tinkerbell - 20-09-2012, 01:45 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Cheeky - 20-09-2012, 01:50 PM
RE: The Old Bank - lacb - 20-09-2012, 02:13 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Sherwood - 20-09-2012, 02:27 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tinkerbell - 20-09-2012, 02:41 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Medley - 20-09-2012, 04:00 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Tersie - 20-09-2012, 04:18 PM
RE: The Old Bank - kemamira - 04-11-2012, 05:26 PM
RE: The Old Bank - hoona - 05-11-2012, 11:47 AM
RE: The Old Bank - michael - 05-11-2012, 01:03 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Mr_Numbers - 05-11-2012, 01:12 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Londondrz - 05-11-2012, 02:13 PM
RE: The Old Bank - lacb - 05-11-2012, 02:52 PM
RE: The Old Bank - hoona - 05-11-2012, 03:01 PM
RE: The Old Bank - mrwandle - 05-11-2012, 03:50 PM
RE: The Old Bank - Iain - 05-11-2012, 04:15 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - oryx - 06-11-2012, 11:37 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - stefan - 08-11-2012, 11:35 AM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - lacb - 09-11-2012, 12:45 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - Bcm - 09-11-2012, 07:50 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - star - 09-11-2012, 09:49 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - lacb - 10-11-2012, 10:12 AM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - Cheeky - 12-11-2012, 03:44 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - Cheeky - 04-01-2013, 04:05 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - lacb - 07-01-2013, 11:55 AM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - hoona - 31-01-2013, 05:13 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - Tersie - 31-01-2013, 06:43 PM
RE: The Old Bank, Honor Oak Park - lacb - 02-02-2013, 08:41 PM
[] - movingsouth - 18-09-2011, 10:57 PM
The Old Bank - Dominos Pizza - danieljon - 29-09-2011, 10:04 PM
The old bank in hop - hopper - 11-07-2012, 09:08 AM
RE: The old bank in hop - alisa - 11-07-2012, 09:28 AM
RE: The old bank in hop - hopper - 11-07-2012, 10:26 AM
RE: The old bank in hop - danieljon - 18-07-2012, 07:40 PM
RE: The old bank in hop - Cidered - 21-07-2012, 07:41 PM
The Old Bank: soon empty again? - Sparkles - 31-01-2013, 03:53 PM
[] - daveherne - 15-06-2013, 08:29 AM
[] - Anotherjohn - 19-11-2013, 03:06 PM